Banning them guys was hard for me to do ! I could have just kept it to myself and nobody would have known. Maybe Forced E. to step down from admin... But i chose not too. Soopa and i talked about this and i understand where he is coming from. Some think he should be banned also, well thats Not happening ! You guys all have your opinions of Element but he was My admin and a damb good one to me always. We all mess up now and then, we learn from it and move on.